Thread: Scoretracker - Bug reporting, help needed etc.

Marc Sorry Grant will get back with you to clear this up... But you might just try putting in 40 to start with so you can get rolling! Just a thought! All the Best!

Originally Posted by marc rocher

I'm in the middle of registering right now, and on the first page it says, "Maximum allowed handicap is 40. If you don't have a handicap please select n/a."

However, when I select 'n/a' (since I don't have a handicap yet), an error message comes up saying, "Please Enter Your Enter Handicap."

Thanks for pointing this out. I'll check it.

Yes, there seems to be an issue there if someone wants to select n/a (no handicap). I'll get if fixed

In the meantime, you could set your HC as 39 to start with and I'll amend it later once we fix the issue.

Thanks, I'll do that.

Whoops! How on earth did I end up ranked #1 for net score?

Also, when the duplicate Harunanomori listing was deleted, my game there on the 4th wasn't deleted (although the scores were), so I had to re-enter it for the 5th.

These two issues are very likely linked.

Wow, that was some fast work. My reign as champion has ended.

Thanks for pointing this out.

The date for the 4th was saved and the system recognized it as a round where you took 0 shots (72 under par )

I've deleted the double entry and saved your round as the 4th not the 5th.

The very impressive net 44 is no longer there - sorry

This isn't really a bug, but...

When looking at the 'all courses' view for personal scores, there's no way to see where the rounds were played. In addition to aiding failing memories as we add more scores to the database, having this info would be a handy way of comparing our scores on one course vs. another.

Thanks for the feedback Marc.

I had looked into that initially but having the course name in the overview table made it look messy and threw up some size/alignment issues.

Some of the course names in Japan are ridiculously long:
Aloha C.C. Hotel & Resort Karasuyama Course
Asahi Kokusai Hamamura Onsen G.C. (Lakewood course)!

I recommend you use the note function.



Above is a screenshot for my notes on the last round I played. If you add a short note then you can easily see where each round was played.

Ok, that's how I've been doing it so far.

Great.

Grant,

While entering my scores from Edo's Chile BBQ and Golf Compe Saturday, I noticed that, going by the yardages, the In 9 and Out 9 for Harunanomori (Gunma) appear to be reversed. At least for the white tees, I haven't checked the others.

Hi Marc,

I entered the data for that course myself and it's all correct. You can compare it against their website:

Link

I think you're getting confused about which nine is which.
Front 9 = Out
Back 9 = In

I've been using Scoretracker for some time now to get a fair handicap.
Right now, end 2011, I'm 35.2

Now, I've just played 5 rounds with UK low handicappers (from 8 to 18), and according to them, I'm more like a 22~24 than a 35.
I have to mention that I found the 22~24 handicap fair, playing either match play or stableford (not medals).

From what I've understand, the discrepancy might be coming from the fact that I'm reporting all stokes in scoretracker, when for handicap purposes, I should not report more than double bogey per hole.

Can you please help clarifying the reason for discrepancy as I really would like to get an "official" handicap as close as possible to reality?

Tks Chris

Hi Chris

What's your personal best? If you've never shot 94 or under, it would be very harsh making you play off a 22 handicap.

I checked score tracker and so far, you've registered the following 10 rounds:
108
114
115
108
124
115
126
109
97
118

A 22 handicapper would be shooting scores more like: 90, 94, 98, 93, 97, 95, 94 .....

Scoretracker calculates handicaps from the best 5 rounds from the last 10 round entered. It offers a basic calculation of a handicap and has proved to be accurate to within 1 or 2 strokes of actual JGA handicaps.

So your current handicap estimate is being calculated from:
97
108
108
109
114
Average = 107.2
Standard Par = 72
Handicap estimate = 35.2

To be a 22 handicapper, you should be averaging 94 from the best 50% of your rounds.

"From what I've understand, the discrepancy might be coming from the fact that I'm reporting all stokes in scoretracker, when for handicap purposes, I should not report more than double bogey per hole."

This depends on your handicap category. For lower handicaps, stroke control is a double bogey but for higher handicaps, stroke control is a triple bogey.

"Can you please help clarifying the reason for discrepancy as I really would like to get an "official" handicap as close as possible to reality?"

Right now Chris, your scores show you're around the 35HC mark despite what your playing partners think you should be playing off. More than likely, you probably should be a 22-24 handicapper in terms of your skill level but you just don't score like one yet.

がんばって！

Thanks Grant for this quick reply!

Originally Posted by Granto

What's your personal best? If you've never shot 94 or under, it would be very harsh making you play off a 22 handicap.

I'm shy to admit that my best score is 97

Originally Posted by Granto

For lower handicaps, stroke control is a double bogey but for higher handicaps, stroke control is a triple bogey.

Ok, this stroke control is consistent with my UK friend story.
Does score tracker applies the stroke control rule? Because I usually report ALL strokes, i.e. up to 10 strokes for a single miserable hole

Happy New Year!

Originally Posted by ChrisJP

Does score tracker applies the stroke control rule? Because I usually report ALL strokes, i.e. up to 10 strokes for a single miserable hole

Happy New Year to you too

At the moment scoretracker doesn't apply the rule so you might want to stroke control those 10's yourself

Not sure how JGA handles this, but here's an article for USGA handicaps:

Equitable Stroke Control in Golf and Maximum Scores

So Chris, it looks like you would cap at a 9 on a hole for handicap purposes.

Any handicap question just ask Hooked Hacker

Originally Posted by smork

So Chris, it looks like you would cap at a 9 on a hole for handicap purposes.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, it didn't do much difference, so went for the triple bogey stroke control...to shave up only 4 strokes

Originally Posted by BiginJapan

Any handicap question just ask Hooked Hacker

I'm confused enough already to not ask advice from someone playing pink balls


So will wait for club handicap or Grant to implement the double bogey stroke control in ScoreTracker.

Hi,
This link about handicap and stroke control could be useful (but in Japanese sorry)

Hikami/CC

Roughly at 31 handicap you have up to 13 holes with 3 over max and the remaining with 2 over max. (I am just surprise that this system doesn't take into account the holes hdcp for the stroke control).
David

And here's another bunch of stats to compare with:

JGA - Handicaps

That's from the official JGA site so explains exactly how they calculate handicaps in Japan.

OK thanks, I understand that the ESC rule depends on the HC level, and it's also clear that my HC will be higher than what it should be unless I follow the ESC rule

The only way to get the "right" HC would be to report the ESC stroke in the Gross score, but then, both Gross score and Net score will be wrong ...

Grant,
I understand that it might be difficult to have ScoreTracker automatically calculating the ESC stoke.
But to be as close as possible to the JGA HC, could you add one column to report ESC strokes, and then calculate HC based on ESC stroke and not Gross stroke ?
By default ESC stroke = Gross stroke, then we can adjust the ESC according to HC...

Originally Posted by ChrisJP

Grant,
I understand that it might be difficult to have ScoreTracker automatically calculating the ESC stoke.
But to be as close as possible to the JGA HC, could you add one column to report ESC strokes, and then calculate HC based on ESC stroke and not Gross stroke ?
By default ESC stroke = Gross stroke, then we can adjust the ESC according to HC...

There's just a wee bit more work involved than adding another column to an Excel sheet Chris.

At some point in the future, I might revamp scoretracker to exactly match the JGA calculation (Courses difficulties, ESC's, differentials etc.) but right now I can't justify the time or expense to do that.